Will a European/EU army be created before 2030?
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Resolves positively if there is a pan-European military force created before 2030. This might be an EU army or the army could be under the command of another institution.

See the same market for 2040: https://manifold.markets/B/will-a-european-or-eu-army-be-creat

To resolve positively,

  • the army would be under the command of a body with representation from among current EU-27 European Union countries (or their successors) totalling more than 200 million people in population.

  • the commanding body would not have representation from the United States (as NATO does)

  • the commanding body may have representation from countries in Europe that are not members of the EU.

  • Members of this armed service may be permanently assigned to the pan-European army, or temporarily under its command, assigned by their respective national armies.

  • The command infrastructure would give orders directly to the military force rather than going through national army command subject to individual nations' approval

  • There must be at least 100,000 active service personnel at one time. By comparison, France currently commands 203,000 Germany 183,000, and the United States 1,400,000.

Apr 14, 3:56pm: Will a European/EU army be created before 2030? → Will a European/EU army be created before 2030?

  • Update 2025-03-02 (PST) (AI summary of creator comment): Important Clarification:

    • If an army is formed under NATO control, it will still be considered as resolving YES provided that the USA does not have a share in the direct chain of command.

    • This situation could occur if the USA has officially withdrawn from NATO, its membership is suspended, or its involvement becomes de facto dormant.

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As per the wording of this question, this question will still resolve YES if an army is formed under NATO control but the USA doesn't have a share in the direct authority over the chain of command, e.g., because the US de jure quit NATO, or if their membership is somehow suspended or de facto dormant.

To me it looks like we might get a common nuclear force before a land army.

If a single eu country opts out of this, does this question resolve as no?

@MalachiteEagle Yes. See the first bullet point in the fine-print.

Isn't it likely that we will get an EU army where at least one member of the EU opts out?

@MalachiteEagle I don't know, but in that scenario there would be representation form current EU-27 EU countries that total more than 200 million people in population, so the market would resolve yes.

@B Ishould add the word "among" to that to make it clearer.

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